3 of 7 users approve this sub group (baccano)well they werent watching that in dub anyhow so its their damn faults if they didnt enjoy that onebut to the topic, yah coalgirls really doesnt deserve any hate, i dont know why someone would 'archive' anime which is just idiotic to do on a hard drive and entirely pointless, i can understand maybe archiving your favorite anime bu- actually no it makes even less sense to archive your favorites cause if you really enjoy it so much you want to be able to watch it whenever you sould have bought it. TheSouthAzn said:Still doesn't explain the downvotes. Ahh, it's too much quality, can't archive, Coalgirls suck.The opposite. NOT ENOUGH quality to justify such a filesize.
Honestly, if you actually think Coalgirls have the best encodes ever, you know nothing about quality. Most of their encodes are inferior to those of smaller sizes done by other respectable BD ripping groups.Obviously they don't have the best encodes, and obviously, if you want to spend the time researching for best quality-to-filesize ratio, do your thing. But for most people who don't want to spend that time, and want a good BD rip subbed by a great group at first try.What I'm trying to say is, they don't deserve all these nonsensical, burying downvotes. And if you must downvote them, offer a constructive comment noting which group did it better, instead of HURRR TOO BIGG. IDex said:Every group has it's haters.Eclipse, where are you when I need you? Arex said:people hate them? I didn't even know:PYeah, they pretty much average only half the vote tallies in nearly every anime they do.
Almost like a gem buried under other groups in each anime's 'Fansubbing Groups' section.I mean, just check a few comments:There isn't any specific hate.Don't compare them to the other groups. The other groups get lots of comments and staff because they sub weekly episodes in ongoing anime.People going with their releases for finished anime are less likely to bother commenting at that point anymore so it seem like they get no attention.Also people who comment at Blu-Ray releases are different from the usual commenters and just compare between Blu-Ray releases.It's a completely different thing. LazYSlackeR said:Yeah, but I don't think Coalgirls cares about their complaints and I don't see why you should either.Of course they don't, but isn't it always nice to get a little recognition for your selfless efforts? Just givin' a lil' luv back to these gals that showered me with so much the same this past year.Besides, this thread isn't really about me 'caring' so much as it is Curiosity musing into why others find them so atrocious, especially with those silly reasons. Possibly also to clear up a few misunderstandings, so people don't end up ignoring them due to low votes. I mean, they've resubbed so much anime with superb medleys of quality.
The disdain is almost ridiculous. I think the #1 reason is simple.
Coalgirls is not a fansub group. MAL, for whatever reason, labels all groups that release unauthorized anime downloads as 'fansub groups.' So anime fans, being their usual borderline OCD selves, downvote them simply for not being a fansub group. You can see the same thing happening with HorribleSubs, Commie, Underwater, and similar ripping groups.Other reasons I've seen cited for hating them:(I don't actively dislike them myself, as I rarely download their releases anyway.). Connections to Chihiro, another group people love to hate for dubious reasons. Use of FLAC - if they did 224-320 kbps AAC instead, most of their releases not encoded by Tenshi would be quite reasonably-sized, and only.01% of the population or whatever would be able to tell the difference. (Though even with FLAC, many of their releases are reasonable size for what they are.).
Some releases use ordered chapters in ways that're broken or questionable, i.e. Shows that have a ton of different endings. General filesize bloat to preserve irrelevant details, though again, this is mainly with Tenshi's encodes, and it's not like other groups aren't guilty of similar excesses.
Worse typesetting on shows where they worked from TV-rips with hardsubbed TS, like Maid-sama. Choice of subs - when they use subs by groups like gg, the hate from the original subs gets transferred over. FauxAzn said:2) Fansubs, dude. I don't want to get stuck with shit 'official' subs. How exactly are the subs on commercial DVD/BD not official, as your scare quotes imply?Also, were you aware that Coalgirls has used official subs for numerous projects?
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And on some series (Lucky Star, Shana TV) where the Blu-Rays themselves were shitty upscales, they've flat-out decided not to do them. The 'we don't do upscales' is more of a 'we don't release in resolutions bigger than the source' statement - meaning they don't do things like release DVD-rips in 720p. FauxAzn said:And if you must downvote them, offer a constructive comment noting which group did it better, instead of HURRR TOO BIGG.The reason why people downvote them is because they can get the same quality at a lower filesize from a group other than Coalgirls. You must've heard of their nickname 'Bloatgirls'. They're called that because their releases don't have any improvement in quality despite the ridiculous file sizes.I have a few of their releases.
Some of them are DVD-sourced, and hence, unbloated. But, the newer, Blu-Ray-sourced anime is pretty bloated. Take Bakemonogatari, for example. They probably have the best release for the series out there, but the file sizes aren't very appealing. Also, they used FLAC for the audio stream, which is frankly unnecessary unless you're going for ultra-HQ 1080p archiving. AC3 or OGG is perfectly fine for 720p scales.
Zalis said:There is a middle ground between 'super-huge insane bloated' and 'crappy streaming/XviD shit quality'; I don't think it's wrong for people to desire releases in that range.I totally get what you're saying, but by the same token, I don't think it's wrong for me to desire openings and endings to be a part of each episode. But I'm not about to bury THORA under other groups just for this personal preference, when there are others who prefer OPs and EDs separated. For Coalgirls, why bury them when the releases work perfectly fine for those that have the means? Hard drive space is temporary space, you could simply delete after watching. If you really want to archive, you can always buy another relatively cheap terabyte drive, or use another group's release.
If you don't have the connection speed or space to feasibly download Coalgirls' releases, then don't! Just don't devalue them with downvotes for your own financial / geographic shortcomings.I think downvotes should only be relegated to bad sub / video / audio quality. Zalis said:Also, were you aware that Coalgirls has used official subs for numerous projects?Yup, which is why I'm sure I stated somewhere above that I'd almost always choose them.
Obviously, for Eureka 7, I'd rather choose Nanashi, but Nanashi used hardsubs so they're difficult to resub. But for some older anime, there really isn't much choice other than CR or official subs, so I'd get Coalgirls for those anyway. The cool thing is, they usually credit whose subs they use on their site, so it's a pretty quick check. Besides a few exceptions, I've found Coalgirls using some of the better, if not best subs available.
FauxAzn said:If you don't have the connection speed or space to feasibly download Coalgirls' releases, then don't! Just don't devalue them with downvotes for your own financial / geographic shortcomings.I'm not disagreeing with this or anything, because it's true, but this made me thing of a more recent argument that I was seeing earlier.I think the issue with Coalgirls is the EXACT same thing as the 10-bit crap.
The people that can figure out how to set up the player/have players that automatically allow 10-bit love it (the people that like Coalgirls) and then the people that can't figure out why the hell their anime is multi-colored (haters gonna hate) are against it.The main argument for both of those would be the ease and access for the general public. People were complaining when sub groups were switching over to 10-bit format because 'not every computer can handle 10-bit' or 'I don't understand how to set this up'. People do not like things that they cannot attain or understand, so they just argue and complain about these things.And there's Tracy's explanation of the human mind, part 143. Thank you, and goodnight. It's annoying in certain situations. Let me paint you a word picture. Let's say you live in a developing area and the best download speed you can get is around 500KB/s (i'm being generous here, a lot of people don't even get that much).
One day, you decided that you want to download a series that's been completed for a few years. You search up torrents by seed-number, and the only decently seeded torrent you can find is a colossal 27GB file for a 13-episode series provided by the 'oh-my-god-blu-ray-is-the-best-it's-the-only-way-to-watch-animuuu-lololololol-' people of Coalgirls.Now, I'm sure there are some weird, rich-ass people who watch anime in their fucking home theaters. But the truth is, the vast majority of people find Coalgirls' mammoth-size encodes unnecessary (and fucking obnoxious) as they watch anime on 1317 inch laptops, not 60 inch flat-screen TVs with surround sound. Jhl9027 said:et's say you live in a developing area and the best download speed you can get is around 500KB/s (i'm being generous here, a lot of people don't even get that much). One day, you decided that you want to download a series that's been completed for a few years. You search up torrents by seed-number, and the only decently seeded torrent you can find is a colossal 27GB file for a 13-episode series provided by the 'oh-my-god-blu-ray-is-the-best-it's-the-only-way-to-watch-animuuu-lololololol-' people of Coalgirls.
Hmm, maybe some of my efforts to continue providing low-res/sane-size disc-rips of recent anime aren't so pointless after all. Though if you look a little harder, most of Coalgirls' 720p files are under 1 GB per episode, so you might get that same 13-ep series for 7-9 GB or less. TonyTin said:Oh god! People arguing over a group that works on subbing anime we want to understand but can't because of language barriers! What has the world come to?!How many times must it be repeated for lazy people who obviously didn't read the thread?Coalgirls do not translate or sub anime themselves. They take pre-existing subs from other fansub groups or commercial DVD/BD releases, and put them on Blu-Ray encodes.I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just setting the record straight.
Essentially, there are exactly zero titles that you would not be able to understand if CGi had not released rips of them.(Note: they sometimes have scrounged up new translations for minor things like previews or added scenes, but they do not translate entire episodes/movies from scratch themselves.). I never knew they were hated upon. They're pretty much one of my favorite groups around.Yes, they just do encodes and don't usually do subs, but rather uses someone's else. There's nothing wrong with that. They state upfront and credit whichever subgroup they're using. Think of it this way, they mix and match different subs (dialog, image overlay, karaoke etc) from whichever group that has better ones, and ultimately, this benefits us watchers.Their file sizes are not disproportionately huge if you take the fact that they use loseless audio encoding into account. Jhl9027 said:Well.
It's annoying in certain situations. Let me paint you a word picture. Let's say you live in a developing area and the best download speed you can get is around 500KB/s (i'm being generous here, a lot of people don't even get that much).
One day, you decided that you want to download a series that's been completed for a few years. You search up torrents by seed-number, and the only decently seeded torrent you can find is a colossal 27GB file for a 13-episode series provided by the 'oh-my-god-blu-ray-is-the-best-it's-the-only-way-to-watch-animuuu-lololololol-' people of Coalgirls.Now, I'm sure there are some weird, rich-ass people who watch anime in their fucking home theaters. But the truth is, the vast majority of people find Coalgirls' mammoth-size encodes unnecessary (and fucking obnoxious) as they watch anime on 1317 inch laptops, not 60 inch flat-screen TVs with surround sound.You've made me read almost four replies from a topic from 2011.
Jhl9027 said:Well. It's annoying in certain situations. Let me paint you a word picture. Let's say you live in a developing area and the best download speed you can get is around 500KB/s (i'm being generous here, a lot of people don't even get that much). One day, you decided that you want to download a series that's been completed for a few years. You search up torrents by seed-number, and the only decently seeded torrent you can find is a colossal 27GB file for a 13-episode series provided by the 'oh-my-god-blu-ray-is-the-best-it's-the-only-way-to-watch-animuuu-lololololol-' people of Coalgirls.Now, I'm sure there are some weird, rich-ass people who watch anime in their fucking home theaters.
But the truth is, the vast majority of people find Coalgirls' mammoth-size encodes unnecessary (and fucking obnoxious) as they watch anime on 1317 inch laptops, not 60 inch flat-screen TVs with surround sound.Damn. You make me sad. What you described was my setup.20' on the TV, but still. Although my internet speed is atrocious, so I download from my girlfriend's house!